NOTE: we will be taking a break until after the New Year. Happy Holidays! Rejoin us in 2020 for more of this madness!
Some spoilers for Driftwood-area stuff in Divinity: Original Sin 2
Don’t have much else. Nosed around the fish place. So do you know who’s buying the fish? Or, at least, what the barrels say on them? Cuz I found that out in the best possible way, and it was Lohse specific.
Then I found a hiding dude who the magistrars wanted and agreed to help him get out and that took approximately forever cuz I kept fucking it up. MAN did I keep fucking it up. More on that in a second.
Then, after success, had a guy ask me to get his wedding ring which led to a fight that was just aw HELL no.
So I went back to buy some lockpicks so I can get into the hatch under the fish place cuz why not? I like to go where dogs say there’s wrong stuff!
Too weird to be a T SHIRT!!!!!
And now, the multiple fuck up rant: I’m loving this game. It’s a great game. That said, no game is perfect, and we haven’t had a good rant on this one yet. We’ve quibbled (fairly) about the jumbly screen, and how you can do the wrong thing because of the jumbly screen. Fair. We COULD mention the ridiculously cumbersome inventory management, but that’s redundant because we’re playing a bigassed RPG and ALL bigassed RPGs have ridiculously cumbersome inventory management, so what can we expect? But here’s a rant, a legit one:
Stealth. Not sneaking, mind you. Sneaking is fine. Sneaking around so you can backstab a guy, or open a chest without being seen, or get in place for a fight, fine. That mechanic is fine, I guess. But it’s a SNEAKING mechanic, not a STEALTH mechanic. STEALTH involves complicated, strategic traversal of area. You find multiple cover points, time enemies, decide do I run there or be quiet that way? The long way with more cover or the short way with less? That sort of thing. You have multiple speeds at your disposal, multiple tricks. Cover.
This mission last night? It WANTED to be a stealth mission, but when all you have is being a barrel….a VERY SLOW barrel, the game isn’t giving you the tools to do it and you’re going to get caught and you’ll HAVE to fight and you don’t want to. The only way to succeed is to do a workaround so workaroundy that it was silly (multiple teleportations, breaking up the party, having the end conversation be between the dude and Lohse who were, like, half a mile apart.
MR. O’S VOICE IN MY HEAD: Look, man, that’s player whining. I’m a DM, and dude, if you didn’t want to fight, you could have said no to the guy, refused the quest. Don’t be all “waa, I helped a guy everyone wanted to arrest then they were mean to me!” Make your choices and deal.
BACK TO MY VOICE: No, Mr. O. That’s fine in tabletop games where a player can ask if they can do stuff, there are die rolls for everything, they have as many tools as their imagination and dice can handle. This? Didn’t have that. Unfair.
BUTTON’S VOICE IN MY HEAD: Look, man, the game DID give you tools to do the mission without fighting. How do I know? Cuz that’s what you did! You ended up doing exactly what you wanted in terms of getting a peaceful, successful conclusion to the mission. Not the game’s fault it took you a while to figure it out.
BACK TO MY VOICE: No. That’s developer bullshit. I gamed the game. The end conversation was meant for the guy to be in the same place as Lohse. They were whispering for fuck sake. If this was a path to success anyone anticipated, this ridiculous conversation wouldn’t have happened. Now, both of you, leave some beer in my head and please step out of my head if you want to smoke.
Sheesh. Don’t know why I’m ranting today.
If you rather, we could rant about the fact that this is the time of year that schools have things that cost money, like, say, just spitballing here, holiday fairs, and other activities start hitting you up for money to register for the second term of things (looks at before school sports, music lessons) despite all of these people KNOWING we’re spending money on, like, EVERYTHING ELSE this month. The real insult? The incredible, insane insult? I’ll get something in a week or so saying registration is open…..for SUMMER CAMP.
Wasn’t expecting such a long open today. I guess I had some ranting to do before we break.
Fish…no, we don’t know anything about people buying the fish. Although we did meet a guy who asked us to eat the poisoned fish, for science! Obviously, I did it. I’m a sucker for science.
Ah yes, the wedding ring guy. That’s the fight I was thinking of when you said slugs by the water, and I said we also fought slugs (and things) by the water. Not the same slugs. That fight was rough. We won it by the skin of our teeth, after burning basically all of our healing and resurrections just making sure someone was alive to claim the victory. The Red Prince was in a bad location and spent about 8 turns in a row repeatedly getting stunned by shock, which didn’t help things at all.
But we won! Gave the guy back the ring, because we’re nice. Probably too nice.
As for the guy escaping in the barrel…yeah, we just fought the magisters on that one. Tried to sneak by a couple of times, it didn’t work, and we’re done sneaking. We are impatient. Also, we don’t really object to killing magisters. Our main concern was that it would pull the entire town into the fight, but it didn’t, so no harm done.
Then we followed the dude in his barrel the rest of the way out and had a whispered conversation where at least we were all in the same place. So yeah, I am sympathetic to your rant in the sense that it implied sneaking was possible, but did not make sneaking workable in a reasonable way.
Although did you try the trick of having one party member talk to/distract someone, while the other one sneaks by? We didn’t do that, I only remembered it just now, but it used to work sometimes in the first game. I’d go talk to someone while Wolgraff looted their pantry in the background or whatever. Maybe that was the secret.
As for the other rants, yeah, having to pay for absolutely everything in one month is rough. We don’t have a bunch of extracurricular stuff yet (just the before and after school program, which is billed weekly for some reason–I had to make it direct deposit because otherwise it was basically guaranteed I would forget it eventually). But I’m sure we’ll get there, and will feel your pain.
Crap, did I spoil? It’s pretty obvious that someone is buying the fish, so I can’t have spoiled that. Like, four dudes would’ve told you that…..
Well, I won’t spoil the rest then.
I ate the red fish and got a recipe. So there’s that. At least we got recipes. And…..crap. I won’t spoil.
I always forget shock. Being dramatic, I like fire, which is usually pretty OK. But that fight, three baddies appeared all close together. I had initiative and a firestorm grenade so I was all “You are clustered together! Burn, dammit, BURN!” and I chuck it and “pfizzzz” I make steam. Which then COULD have been a big shock cloud but I forgot and just moped there was no fire.
I have to think in more complex terms.
Ah, see, that’s what I was worried about, getting more people involved. I’m attracting too much attention as it is. Some magistrar bounty hunter shook down Ifan as soon as I got there and we bribed her. I didn’t want to bring the town down upon us before I even got to the Meistr’s house.
I actually did try that ‘distracting’ thing and it failed spectacularly. I think you had to have two characters for that trick to really work. I never got it right in the first game, either.
I even tried the pyramids. Didn’t work. We poofed away and the guy was still there all “Where’d they go?”
I tried, with this one magistrar who kept catching me, putting ifan at the bottom of his ladder and Beast at the top. Pin him, you know? Nope. Pushed us out of the way.
Grumble. I was TRYING here, game!
Dude. CAMP in December. Like, can’t ANYTHING wait?
But yes, money to the holiday fair for the kids (thank GOD I remembered to go get a stack of singles and a roll of quarters yesterday. Made that oversight before), paid for before school sports today, music lessons will likely be next week….
Can’t they spread this shit out? I get that you have to pay for shit, but man, can’t we do some of the paying in, like October? February? July?
This is not the best time for paying for stuff.
OH MY GOD someone is buying the vast quantities of fish these people are catching and packing up as if for sale and/or transport? HOW COULD YOU RUIN THIS FOR ME????!!!!
It’s fine. I’m sure we’ll go back there and poke around some more.
No luck with the distraction, eh? Well, you were trying. You definitely tried! It not working is on the game. Probably they just expected you to get in the fight.
“Look, we didn’t think anyone would take all our warnings about not causing trouble in town SERIOUSLY.”
Yes. I have ruined it. Ruined, I say.
You guys are funny. You’ll look in every single nook and cranny for buckets to sell, all the while running by NPC after NPC who’s waving all “Hey! Over here! Plot! PLOT! I HAVE PLOT! Hey! Slow down! I’m more important than the bucket!”
All the same, Lohse has this trick she pulls some times where she’s all “I am the famous singer!” and people get all talky, and then she leaves with a grandiose bow that she holds and looks around under desks and stuff to learn more. I kinda love that.
Lohse, in general, is pretty awesome.
Or turn him over. Most of the sub quests in that tree seemed to be pushing you in that direction. We will likely regret helping him. I certainly regret the time I wasted helping him.
But at least I got the trick of “chain transporting” down. I teleported Sebille up a tower, gave her the gloves and then, as she had high ground and Lohse can teleport, too, we just flung the guy multiple times.
That was the one good thing I got out of the death that was the cemetery. Totally pointless from a quest perspective and fight perspective, but I found a teleportation skill book AND got out without having to reload, so Lohse can just teleport and Sebille has the gloves.
Teleporting is great. TWO people who can do it is amazing.
I just got back from buying yet more food. All these expenses and I’m STILL expected to feed people? Jeez, people, do you understand how much these silly “moral obligations to your children” cost?
Teleporting is the best. More teleportation is more awesome.
I have the skill as well, but I have Sebille still wearing the gloves as a backup because the cooldown period is annoying in combat. And also, honestly, because no one else really wants to wear them…I mean, they DO, because teleportation is awesome, but also the fighter types really kind of want to wear something that will give them some armor. That’s why Gannibog gave them to me in the first place–he was the one who found them, so he had them initially.
Maybe our Lohse would like them. I just like them very much myself.
Whoa wait hang on hold the phone.
If you have a skill and something that gives you that skill, that does an end around the cooldown period? Really?
Oh…now that you mention it, I’m not sure. I know I see two instances of teleportation on my hotbar, but one of them might be a scroll. I did have a teleportation scroll I made, and when you put it like that, it does sound like a perhaps-unlikely loophole in the rules.
In my head when I assumed I got it twice I was thinking “well, one use belongs to the gloves, and one belongs to me,” but actually the way it’s phrased, an item “grants the skill” [whatever], implying that either way, a use of said skill belongs to the character.
I’ll have to double-check that, and if the extra use is indeed a scroll, then definitely give the gloves to someone else.
Good point, good point.
Ah, bummer. That would’ve been amazing.
My breakthrough, rules wise, was figuring out what those little green ovals under the character portraits are. They’re source points! Who knew?
Besides you guys, that is.
Yeah, we knew. We also noticed that they seem to disappear if you die and are resurrected. So don’t hoard your Source points!
We just never seem to run into a good opportunity to use them, unless something needs to be Blessed.
THAT’S where they go. Huh.
I haven’t used Sebille’s or, ironically, Lohse’s yet. Ifan’s wolf is kinda handy from time to time, and Beast’s…Beast’s is amazing. It just messes dudes up. Like a whirlwind/electrical air damage shocking blinding storm.
I gotta try Lohse’s.
We don’t have Ifan or the Beast, and I honestly can’t remember what our powers are. Well, mine is breaking shackles, but when do I use it?
I know I’ve looked at the Prince’s and tried to think of some occasion where it would come in handy, but that time has not come up yet. And one time we tried to use Lohse’s, but it turned out to be super close range? Or else had to be targeted on just one character? Or something. Anyway, it didn’t do anything, probably our fault, and we haven’t gotten around to trying again.
I mean, also, we die all the damn time, so we never actually seem to have any Source points unless it’s a plot-critical moment like talking to gods who are bleeding the stuff onto the ground in front of us.
I imagine at some point maybe we’ll be able to get it more reliably somehow? But who knows.
Maybe it was “resisted by magic armor,” which is the most annoying damn thing.
Sebille’s is defensive, right? Like, if you’re overcome with all sorts of bad shit, it cures everything. Or something. Right?
My Sebille is so badass in that respect. She’s currently rocking level 5 in necromancy. Five. Level Five.
I don’t get why they didn’t do that in the first place. She fucking eats heads. If that’s not necromancy, what is?
Oh dude, I am all about the necromancy. Shackles of Pain is AWESOME. I also like the mosquitoes that heal me the same amount they damage an enemy. And Leech. I really, really want to summon an undead decapitator, like in the last game…that’s my personal goal right now.
I don’t know if I have 5 ranks, though…I love necromancy, but I keep throwing ranks into other schools because they have useful spells. I have to improve my memory every time I level up because I want so many more spell slots.
Gear man. The stuff that gives you a level stacks. Sebille is rocking every necromantic bikini in Rivellon.
Autocorrect wanted to change “necromantic” to “be romantic.”
Ha. Nobody romances like a necromancer, baby.
It really did seem like a natural fit, what with the consumption of flesh and absorbing of memories.
I know, right? I found it kinda funny when she was learning about Braccus Rex and was all “That awful necromancer got a better death than he deserved” and shit, as she’s sitting there with four or five levels in it. Pot kettle, Sebille.
Well, he was an awful necromancer, and she’s a fabulous necromancer. I see no contradiction!
Oh she’s fabulous.
What? I have a type.
Joking aside, it really does seem that, skimpy armor aside, game writers write better women PCs. Is that a coincidence? Or because they’re not tied to the grumpy vengeful dude trope?
Well, better than what? Than they used to? Or just better than male PCs, as a general rule?
That’s an interesting thought. I’m not sure how I would even answer the question “are female characters better written than male characters” without extensive thought on all the characters I’ve ever played…but to the extent that it’s the case, certainly not being tied to grouchy male hero tropes seems a likely partial explanation, at least.
I am also definitely up for the intensive study of which gender is better written. We’ll need to carefully define our terms, write up some rubrics, think back over pretty much everything to compare characters and give them and their stories different scores in various attributes…we could probably get published in important video game journals!
Better than male PCs. I used to think I picked them just for variety, but they’re usually better. Here, the four male PCs are, thus far, kinda blah, at least compared to Lohse and Sebille.
We already publish one of the best video game journals on the planet. And the most modest.
As an unbiased observer, I can certainly verify that this is true.
Also, and completely off-topic–what are your thoughts on Netflix’s Witcher series that they keep advertising?
My mother is obsessed with it. Absolutely obsessed. Tells me it’s awesome. So I guess I’ll check it out.
It’s set far earlier than the games. Get to meet Yennefer. Get to find out why he’s the butcher of wherever. Lots of nudity. Sorceresses. I’m in.
I’m still not sure I’m wild about Henry Cavill as Geralt. But…who knows, could be good.
I mean, your mom wouldn’t lie.
She said “well I give him an 11/10.”
Some things should remain unsaid. When your mother says them.