Spoilers for Red Dead Redemption 2
Did some. Still processing.
Busted John out of prison. Fun little mission, but not sure about themeage. Weird that Dutch wasn’t happy that they busted him out.
An interesting pattern with Dutch (and one that could be related to certain leaders of the day) is that before anything happens he says “I’ll have a plan any second now” and then when someone else does something he gets mad and says “I HAD a plan!” Dude, you did? You came up with it as I was doing something? He’s always full of shit, really. One wonders if he always was.
Well, the two times we did see him with a plan, one was pointless and vindictive (killing Bronte, which accomplished nothing but revenge and got the law down on them, the very thing he’s mad at Arthur for with John) and the other wasn’t much of a plan at all (bandannas and yippie kai aie! in broad daylight). Also reminds me of certain present events.
But then….met up with the lovers again. Did you meet up with the lovers again? Got that note from Penelope, and couldn’t resist.
Went back to Braithewaite manor and, well, I guess the fact that Lady Braithewaite’s burned body is just there waiting to be looted is a good tip off she died. But strolled in and got dead. So did the sneaky next time and did the mission.
Did you do that? Cuz…..I’m not sure what to make of that. I kinda have a lot to say about that. The more I think about it, the more I have to say.
But after that, found myself way the fuck out by Riggs station, middle of nowhere, and, for some reason, dude wouldn’t sell me a train ticket. So rode to Strawberry to get a train ticket, and there’s no trains there. So rode back and THEN he sold me a ticket. Took the train to Annesburg, decided to do Downes’ mission, decided that might take a while, called it a day.
I’ll do that next.
So you do the lovers?
Dude, I know! “I HAD a plan! And YES I came up with it just as you were doing that, I do all my best thinking when people are taking actions I didn’t officially approve! Which is why…uh…people should not take actions so I can think…look, the point is, I was GOING to save him any day now.”
And yes, the lovers. “Ah, Boston. Good. They’ll like you up there.”
Thanks! I think. It was amusing that Penelope just straight-up robbed her family and took off. And Arthur’s reaction: “they’re not chasing us because they’re upset about the romance, they’re mad because she robbed them blind! Good for her, I guess.”
The bit I found oddly entertaining was driving the train. There was no real challenge or danger to it, you just…drive the train. And ring the bell! And blow the whistle! Made me feel kind of like I imagine Arthur might have felt: “hey, I’m driving a train, this is kind of fun! Whooooo-whooooo!” And…then you’re done and you move on. It was both completely pointless, and quite pleasant.
And then they offer you some jewels, and I turned them down and got honor, although I have no idea why it would have been dishonorable to accept them. I mean, it was payment for a job done–why is that wrong? But I was thinking “nah, these kids probably need it more than I do, considering I have $3000 in my pocket and am dying and all.” Maybe that’s the honor: thinking of someone else rather than yourself.
And what was interesting is that people are starting to go “Whatever, man.” Indeed, the more people make other people go “whatever, man,” the more Dutch screams “DISLOYAL!”
Metaphor’s getting a little upsetting.
Good for her robbing her family at a time when Arthur is starting to doubt his own family. We’ve talked before about how the Rhodes families are kinda like the gang. We’ve seen the families and Dutch prattle on endlessly about loyalty. Here, we have Penelope being totally disloyal, and Arthur’s reaction is, as you say, “good for her.”
“I didn’t know you could drive a train.” “Neither did I….”
The only real stressful bit was that Roach, for some reason, insisted on following it. I couldn’t have dealt with running Roach over with a train. Too traumatic. But he was ok, so it’s all good.
I did the same thing with the jewelry. But on that, the thing I kept thinking on was the moment before you decide to take it: Arthur’s there holding the bracelet and says, half in awe, half in disbelief: “The Braithewaite treasure…” Turns out there was (some) gold there, right? And after all the fighting and scheming and bloodshed (shit, she even talks about unnecessary, stupid bloodshed on the way to the train), here he is finally holding it. And why? Because Penelope and Beau, the naive, weak dreamers stole it, not the gang. Moreover, Arthur has it not because he pulled a gun or threatened them or beat them, but because she is giving it to him freely because he helped her. He helped two people find love, and THAT’S why he’s finally holding the Braithwaite gold. I think, in the way that line was delivered (as an aside, dude who plays Arthur is really good at these subtleties), Arthur finally gets it, that maybe, just maybe, doing the right thing is what works.
I think it’s good storytelling that that moment had to happen after Arthur knows he’s gonna die. His realization that THIS was the way to the treasure, helping the lovers, comes too late. By the time it dawns that maybe killing everything that moves isn’t the best possible way, he can’t really change.
And before you go all “Hey, Butch, wait. We killed a lot of people here. It’s not maybe ‘the right thing,'” I’d say “But Femmy, the gang would not have thought ‘Hey, maybe the way to get all those hicks’ money is to help these kids.’ They’d have dismissed that, as they thought that killing everyone and burning fields and houses and everything was the only way. Compared to that, this is the right thing.'” Shit, admit it. Even we, as players, thought this was, at best, an amusing diversion. We both said “Of course there’s no gold.” Turns out we were wrong. Turns out we got the gold….at the end of the quest we thought was, at best, an amusing diversion.
Yes, at this point, the only way to be ‘loyal’ seems to be to either sit quietly without complaint, or actively reassure Dutch how awesome he is, while he broods and speechifies and probably steers them all straight to disaster. Troubling, indeed.
And it’s true, the Braithwaite Treasure did exist after all, and as you say, the gang never came near it with their plans and playing one side against the other while getting played themselves…but Arthur, by helping out a couple of people with no real expectation of reward, gets his hands on it eventually.
And now he’s dying and can’t do much with it. It’s an interesting mechanic, as well, that Arthur CAN’T simply fund Dutch’s plans with his own earnings, or I’d think “well, maybe he should have taken it to help the gang out.” As we’ve said before, at least he could call Dutch’s bluff, if there were ever a specific amount named, but there never is–no tally of “$350 gained out of $10,000 needed to head to Tahiti” or anything. I regularly donated all the loot I picked up to the gang’s treasury (easier than going to a fence), and the book neatly shows everything I gave, but the total, once you’ve upgraded camp as much as you can, doesn’t seem to mean anything and eventually I kind of stopped caring.
“I can give and give and never get any closer to pleasing Dutch, so why bother?”
I have no idea where they got an idea for such a character. Nope. No idea.
Right! The treasure was an unexpected irony. Arthur gets it by saying “Aww, what the hell, I like these folks,” where when Dutch tries, and underestimates everyone, not only does he fail, he gets Sean killed and uproots his gang.
And “why bother?” is, oddly, the most hopeful part of the metaphor, right? I mean, if Dutch does have a real world equivalent, right? Here’s his followers realizing there is no pleasing him, no way he’s ever getting them to “Tahiti…..”
I’m also starting to think that the mechanic you mentioned isn’t there because Dutch has no intention at all of taking anyone to Tahiti. He is, after all, the best dressed one, right? He’s a con man. Why do we believe his intentions? It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he just, at some point, says “See ya later, suckers!”
In real life, demagogues often try to enrich themselves at the expense of their most ardent supporters. So I’ve heard.
I have also heard this! But you never know…history teaches us many things that we may be better off ignoring. He’s probably only the best-dressed (and the one with the nicest tent) because he…uh…needs that extra comfort to keep his brain working on all those brilliant plans he’s totally thinking up on a daily basis. Seems legit.
Con men only con OTHER people! Not us! Not his biggest fans!
Definitely not going to be the ruin of us all. No sir.
And I’m certainly not weeping quietly at the keyboard right now in abject terror, that’s for sure.
Yeah, we’ve gone dark after vacation. We gotta cheer up.
I was just in Nashville!
Food! Booze! There. I feel better.
I have company coming! I have to clean things and set up beds!
I’m not sure if I feel BETTER, but I’m distracted.
Perhaps that’s enough, in these troubled times.
Stop being dark, dammit!
At least you’ll have booze.
I will have booze!
It’s gonna be great. We’re going to love dying in the fiery wreckage of our democracy.
I mean, hacking up blood from TB. Whatever.
Ooh, ooh, I do have something less dark: we went to the circus while you were on vacation! The in-laws wanted to take us since the kids had never been, and Mr. O’ and I were both pretty unenthusiastic, but it was actually a lot of fun.
I had forgotten that it’s just kind of cool to watch human beings do weird, improbable things. No special effects except costumes and some lights, just people juggling lots of blocks, or leaping recklessly around on trampolines, or contorting into strange and unlikely positions while balancing on each others’ heads. Good old-fashioned, simple entertainment, you know? It was weirdly heartwarming, for something garishly colored that cost hundreds of dollars (which I fortunately did not personally pay).
And I kept thinking of Arthur cheering at the vaudeville shows, and you at the honky-tonk, and wanting to yell out “woooooooeee! Those guys can JUMP!” or something.
So yeah. Circus. Thumbs up.
I, too, like circuses. There is something rather heartwarmingly, old timey about it all.
You SO should’ve cheered like that. Turn to people all “You seein’ this?”
Probably shouldn’t have said “Show us them knickers!” though.
“You seein’ this?!” would have been awesome.
I do like circuses. I even like the weird French ones!
I can’t believe you missed a chance to cheer like that.
I have never been to the weird French circus, but would probably like it. Especially if I remembered to cheer like Arthur. Weird French circus folk LOVE that!
They do! Especially if you shout “Dance the Can can!”
Ok, for the sake of us all, played some more.
Helped Downes’ son, helped Downes. I guess.
Not sure what to make of that. Quest was called “Do not seek absolution,” and maybe I haven’t been absolved. They just took my ninety bucks and left. I hope.
I also helped a widow learn to hunt and gave her a chance. I got jumped by Murphrees right after. She’ll probably get killed. She will, won’t she?
I don’t know what to make of Downes. I am intrigued that this all was very much a white, skippable bit.
What did you take from it?
I thought it was very much about Arthur trying–not to put things right, because as he himself keeps saying, there’s no way for him or anyone else to do that–but to make things a little bit better. To BE a little bit better as a person than he was when he first met these people.
He’s dying, and he realized he’s spent most of his life hurting people, and he’s trying to do something different.
He is. That he is.
What did you make of the line “This country is man unleashed?” Someone certainly was proud of themselves for that one, but I’m not certain if it’s true. Or what it means.
And what did you make of the fact you could skip all of this?
It is very interesting that a lot of Arthur’s trying to be better is stuff you can skip. So…you don’t HAVE to try to be better.
Maybe your personal reaction to learning you’re dying of TB isn’t to try to be slightly better in your remaining days than you were in the ones leading up to the discovery. Maybe you figure hey, the damage is done, no point worrying about it now. Let’s skip these ‘helping people’ things and just rob stagecoaches and shoot people full time!
As for this country being man unleashed…I dunno. This, unlike other countries, is where all the impulses of humanity (both good and bad?) are allowed free rein? I don’t know if that’s true, or if it’s just the kind of wild boasting that’s to be expected in a very young country that’s growing rapidly and (in some quarters) is full of its own imagined destiny.
It was one of those lines that someone thought sounded really deep. It was even delivered with MUCH GRAVITAS. Slightly overdone gravitas, you ask me. Or even if you don’t ask me.
So all I have left is Micah. Is it long? Like, long long?
Oh, you probably have a lot more left than Micah. Have you talked to Strauss? You gotta talk to Strauss.
But if I recall correctly, this particular bit of Micah is not that long. It’s one of those ‘first step in a series’ things, and later ones will be longer, but I THINK the first one is pretty short.
Although it’s been a while, so I apologize in advance if that’s completely wrong.
I have not talked to Strauss. He’s had a white thing in camp for ages. I figured it was more debtors, and fuck that. I ignored him in Shady Belle, too. He hasn’t had a yellow thing in forever.
This is the bit of Micah in Annesburg. The first bit of Micah in Annesburg.
It is more debtors, but you might want to do it anyway. It’s actually related to the theme we’ve been discussing.
Or if you’re in a hurry and want to continue to say screw it, that’s fair–I can just tell you what the story was.
I’m pretty sure the Annesburg part of Micah was fairly short, at least. I remember meeting him there and I don’t think it took up that much time.
All right, I’m on it.
Really? I FINALLY blow something off and I shouldn’t?
Next you’ll be telling me to go back to Strawberry to do bounties.
I think ha.
You HAVEN’T DONE the Strawberry bounties?! My god, man! That means you’ve missed the entire 12-part nude orgy storyline!
Ha. I think ha.
I mean, I missed it too.
But yeah, that’s exactly what this game would do, wouldn’t it? The time you decide to skip something is the time it actually has implications.
Ok….which one of us is going to break down and google just to make sure that bounty isn’t the bit with nudity?
Cuz I STILL haven’t seen the promised nudity.
I haven’t seen any nudity either. It probably WAS just the grainy photos you found in that campsite or whatever.
But I think I did all the bounties, so it can’t have been that.
Maybe there’s just a big nude scene after the credits or something.
OK, check this thread. Apparently there is limited potential to randomly see some naked people. I guess we both missed it.
I knew you’d be the one to break down and google.
And to think this day started all dark and stuff.
I feel gypped. Our next game better have nudity.
You were right, I could not restrain myself.
Apparently there’s even MALE NUDITY, though! This should have been my favorite game of all time! Equal opportunity random naked people!
And somehow I missed them all.
This is the final straw, game. I’ve had it with you. RAGEQUIT FOREVER.
I mean, if I weren’t already done.
You know, you missing the male nudity in this game, given your experience, makes perverse, perfect sense.
I know, it really does just put the perfect finishing touch on my entire experience of this game. Every possible thing goes wrong, repeatedly…and I missed all the male nudity.
I have to be close. I kinda feel I’m doing endgame stuff, wrapping up the Downes, wrapping up Penelope. When you start wrapping up the side shit that’s when you’re about to wrap up the main shit. Right?
Except you did all this long ago and you only just finished.
I’m so confused.
We, at some point, do need to discuss what we do next. I keep thinking we need to do that soon, but…….
You have AC:O in the house. I’d be willing to do that. Might be a nice, light, refreshing change.
I have to be honest, I’m a little confused myself about why this game didn’t wrap up a few hours before it did.
But we’ll talk later.