Minor spoilers for Olympics-area plots in AC: Odyssey
It’s half day Tuesday.
So I got nothing.
Well, I have a seventh grader. There’s that.
Which is also why I got nothing.
What you got?
I finished up the blue quest with the old flame (while fending off bounty hunters, because this is in Attika where I am hated for probably very legitimate reasons that I can’t remember), and then I bolted back to Olympia to talk to all those yellow exclamation points.
Cleared up a few of them. Talked to the two guys who were both robbed at the same time and accusing each other, and investigated the crypts, but didn’t finish it.
Talked to the pankration guy, but didn’t actually do the fight yet.
I did all the exclamation points there, so we can dish. Of course, the one you haven’t finished is the best one.
The “chat with Barnabas” one was odd. Sorta felt like “We programmed all this shit….go see it!”
And the one with the mother…..still not sure I did that one right. How’d you do it?
Yeah, Barnabas’ bit was odd. It was kind of sweet though, really, just hanging out with him enjoying his enthusiasm. And an interesting little note there where he was being all rapt in the temple of Zeus and Kassandra is totally not feeling it. “It’s all right, I have enough faith for both of us,” he says. His faith is an interesting counterpoint to her (our) doubts.
Assuming you saved the mother from being thrown off a cliff, I think you must have done it right. What I kind of loved about that quest was that at the end I earnestly said to her “no one deserves that fate,” and then turned around and leaped right off the edge of the cliff myself.
I thought it was funny, anyway.
But I just talked to her son, found the poem about her father, and then argued to the priestess that she had a right to be there based on her family line. Worked OK.
I did all the same stuff….but I have my doubts.
It was SO obvious that she was being wronged. So terribly obvious. And this game, for all of its faults, has been pretty good at twists. After all, all we had was a poem that wasn’t explicitly to anyone (it only had initials), a love letter that WAS explicitly to her, and a dude who SAID he was her son. As you say, even Kassandra ended the quest with a preachy line that was kinda out of character for her (she doesn’t often moralize) which made me think that the game was throwing out some irony. We’re so conditioned by games to think that a priestess of anything who is scowling must be bad and wrong. Admit it: as soon as you came upon scowling priestess over helpless woman, you were GOING to save that woman. That’s the reaction I had. And that was before any “facts,” any investigation, any anything. And we both saved her. And felt good about it. Why? Because “No one deserves that fate.”
Which is ridiculous cuz we kill people all the damn time for offenses such as standing too close to unmowed lawn.
I dunno, man. I have my doubts. And that’s pretty good game design.
Oh, I have many doubts about the overall moral/legal aspects of the story. Because indeed, I kill people all the time for faults of a similar level (like being in the wrong place, i.e., someplace I want to take treasure from, at the wrong time, i.e., when I want to take the treasure).
And whether or not she actually came from this good family has no real bearing on the fact that married women are, apparently, not allowed to watch the games.
She’s a married (or widowed–I guess once married, you’re stuck with that status forever) woman. Therefore, she’s not allowed. Case closed.
Add to that the fact that she disguised herself as a man to sneak in, indicating that she KNEW she wasn’t allowed: Kassandra’s argument that she had the ‘right’ to be there is nonsense, from a legal standpoint, because again: married women can’t be there. It doesn’t matter who they are.
I went after the whole quest basically not because I thought there was a good legal argument, but because I thought the law was unjust. (This is par for the course for Kassandra and legal problems: as we saw, her approach to helping Sokrates was to kill the witnesses and steal the evidence.)
I personally think people shouldn’t be thrown off cliffs for trying to watch sporting events. That’s my own (and, I guess, my Kassandra’s) personal morality, not Greek law. I did see there was the option to say she was guilty and they could do whatever they wanted with her. If I’d been more interested in the letter of the law, I might have gone with that.
But I am not exactly an upholder of any in-game law other than the one that says “I get to do anything I want because I’m the protagonist” so it would be a bit odd of me to get all righteous at this point.
All very true. It is a dumb law. Maybe that’s the thing we’re supposed to be thinking about? We “sentence Kevin to death” all the damn time for, let’s face it, very little. Sure, we kill very bad guys in games all the time. But we also have talked about how ready we are to kill random folks who aren’t doing anything to us just because someone asked us to. It’s kinda weird that when someone asks US to kill someone for a dumb reason we’re all “Yessir!” but when someone else wants to kill someone for a dumb reason we get indignant and stop it and are all “No one deserves that.”
“HOW DARE YOU PRIESTESSES! YOU ARE FREE!”
****Jumps off mountain****
Random Guy: “Oh, hey, that woman stole my rake.”
Random Guy: “Woman up there that you just saved.”
Kassandra: “Stole your rake? No shit.”
Random Guy: “Yeah, could you kill her? I mean, I have no proof, I could be making all that up where you going?”
Kassandra “Off to kill her! Bye!”
Totally, totally true!
“You know, you saved that woman because sneaking into the games shouldn’t be a crime, but she did also sneak into my house and take my great-grandfather’s handaxe.”
“SHE MUST DIE.”
(On the other hand, if I sneak into someone’s house and take their great-grandfather’s handaxe, they should just consider themselves lucky they survived.)
Maybe it’s just that we reserve to ourselves the power of life and death. Everyone I feel like killing almost certainly deserves to die–everyone who dies at my hands has met justice.
People OTHER people feel like killing, I don’t know. Do I trust this priestess? Maybe not. I can’t be sure justice is being served if I’m not the one dishing it out.
I think there is also something in there about crimes against people (even if only alleged), compared to crimes against the gods, or against some vague sense of morality (like “married women will be overcome by lust if they watch naked men competing”).
I mean, however much of an overreaction a death sentence is to the crime of stealing a rake, at least we have a concrete harm that was done: this guy is missing a rake! Whereas the ‘harm’ of married women admiring naked men, well, I’m perhaps not the most objective witness on this topic, but come on. Where’s the damage? Or Sokrates asking uncomfortable questions. Who’s really, concretely injured? It’s not as if he’s stealing rakes or something!
And this is maybe our godless heathen instincts assuming that crimes against social mores and so forth are fairly minor, whereas crimes against other humans should be taken seriously (arguably entirely too seriously, but that’s another topic).
Side note on nudity, did you notice when Kassandra goes into the temple of Zeus she says something like “great craftsmanship! This is way better than the one on Kephallonia!” Naturally I said, “well, but this one isn’t naked…”
You deny others the witcher tax. You hypocrite.
You are certainly not an objective witness. Nope.
Another side note on nudity: When you are investigating the quest we’ve been talking about, and you talk to the old lady who’s all “Of course it’s bad…all those naked men…the muscles…” you know the one, did you notice that there was….how can I put this…a part of the statue behind them that was perfectly framed by the old lady and Kassandra when they were talking?
Well played, Ubisoft. Well played.
Oh yes, I noticed. It was very well played.
This game is delivering on the statue male nudity front, I will give it that.
Man, there better be some more quality nudity in the next thing we play. Been WAAAAY too long.
I vote for either nudity, or something kind of short. (Or both! That would be the dream.) It might be nice to not instantly dive into another 800-hour game. I mean, I WILL dive into another such game, but…maybe a break first.
What’s on the horizon that isn’t a huge open world? Anything?
Not really. Unless we take a break to play Detroit. Everything else is big. Death stranding, Divinity, Outer Worlds, big all.
I feel ya. Would be nice to have an Edith Finch here, but there’s nothing.
Well, in order to get us away from this ridiculous talk of nudity I played! I am now Olympic champion!
But you know how they competed in Greece? That’s right. Naked.
Well….not NUDITY nudity. That’s too hard to animate. So what do you do when you need video game characters to be “naked” but you can’t actually have them BE naked?
It’s a throwback.
It never goes out of style.
It’s time to get out all the old designs and patterns cuz you dress your characters up in…..
……say it with me Femmy…..
You’re gonna love it. It’s pretty great.
I can’t wait.
Olympic champion here I come!
As for the next thing…I could honestly get behind Detroit. It was free and has been sitting around for a while, howlongtobeat.com says it’s 14 hours with the main story plus extras (but not completing every single thing), it’s a major change of pace stylistically, David Cage is always good for some discussion even if it’s not always admiring discussion…it could be a good palate-cleanser before the next giant open world.
Also, I don’t know about nudity, but I wouldn’t put it past Detroit to have some.
Oh it must.
Probably in an incredibly offensive way.
I miss the Witcher.
I’m down. It’ll have themes. And no forts.
If I never see another fort again it’ll be too soon.
But this is irrelevant because this game will never end ever ever ever.
Sigh. Looked it up. Only “partial nudity.”
Dammit, David Cage……
Another dream crushed.