Some quest spoilers for AC: Odyssey
Ok! Got to Delphi! By way of three viewpoints, a hottie who wants me to kill a boar, and a horny old lady that wants me to kill a bear and a deer, neither of which I did cuz I wanted to get to the oracle and time was limited cuz Will Smith wouldn’t shut up.
Talked to the Oracle (not what I expected) but did not get to her house. That’s next. So don’t spoil.
So really, just met Herodotus (he’s an assassin or templar for sure, probably assassin), told Barnabus to be more secretive, then immediately told Herodotus everything cuz I can’t shut up. Heard the Oracle talk about the Cult of Kosmos, which I’m guessing is Templars but I could be wrong. Asked where my mother was. Wondered how she knew me.
Here’s a difference: She was really mad about the whole killing innocents to stop the plague thing. She was all “It is you! From the sickness at [that place with the sickness]! INNOCENTS DIED!” And I wanted to say “Dude, hey, chill. In Femmy’s game the whole island died! Cut me some slack, here!” But no.
I did like the idea that the oracle could be controlled, and control of the Oracle (religion, really) shaped the political landscape. That was neat. Themey. We’ll have more to say later, I reckon.
Yeah, Delphi was interesting. As was that sexed up old lady. I mean, rock on, lady. I’ll get your bear’s tongue for you, sure.
Ooh, I wondered what the Oracle said to you! She told me, “a girl and her family are alive thanks to you!” And I thought “what about all the other people dying of the plague though?” but if she doesn’t care, I guess I’ll take her praise as a means of assuaging my guilt for spreading malaria across Greece. Can’t please everyone, right? Might as well please the lady who (reportedly) speaks for Apollo! Who apparently doesn’t care that I killed some priests. Some other god’s priests, probably.
I did also love how you’re all “maybe be more discreet, Barnabas,” and then “hey, stranger I just met, let me tell you my life story!”
As for the lady who wants you to kill the boar…FYI that boar is only level 16, but it’s enormous and deadly. I watched Mr. O’ battle it unsuccessfully (like, not even close–though he is playing on Hard), and decided not to go after it right away. So if you’re looking for something to quickly toss off some evening, maybe follow up on the deer and bear quest instead (although I haven’t done that one either, so maybe those beasts are also enormous and deadly).
As for me, dude, I TRIED to get back to talk to Elpenor, but apparently I waited too long, because he sent someone to kill me in the marketplace. Now I’m trying to find him so I can assassinate him, because obviously.
What did he do when you talked to him? Did he try to have you killed?
Yeah….I usually want everyone to LOOOOVVVVVEEE MEEEE, or, at the very least, have sex with me, but her? I think I might leave that to her husband……
The Oracle was mad, man. Can’t please everyone. Though it was interesting that she did seem to be into the rights of the individual and not the overall good/societal good. Hmm.
Maybe Kassandra was all “Hey, dude. You’re a supporting character. It’s the PC that gets to babble on and on. It’s how PCs do. Don’t steal my lines again, old man.”
Good to know about the boar. What do you mean ONLY level 16? I’m ONLY level 12!
Really? Elpenor tried to kill you? Hmm. Maybe it changes if you do the Oracle first?
Well, I stormed in with the helmet all “The wolf is dead” (which she just said…I didn’t choose to lie. She was gonna say that either way.) He just chucks the money. She’s surprised and he’s all “You expected me to haggle? More than worth it. Especially because you [tells her all about herself].” “You knew?” “Of course I knew!” And she’s all “You played with me?” and, and this is interesting statement number one: “You thought my life is ENTERTAINMENT?” (See?) and he says “No…I think your life is art. A tragedy. Blah blah Greek drama blah.”
Anyhoo, no matter what you do, she gets mad and he’s all “Too bad, I could have used you in my further errands” and tells his guards to kill you and off he goes. You kill the guards and get to root around in his house.
So yesterday we were all talking on the differences between thoughtful, progressive, assassin Athens and obedient, militaristic, Templar Sparta, right? Well, turns out ol’ Elpinor is selling weapons to and destabilizing both sides. He wants the war to continue endlessly. Given our thoughts on the Assassin/Templar Athens/Sparta deal, I found that curious. Which is what I wanted to discuss.
Anyway, I, too, now have a quest called “Snake in the grass” in which I have to chase him down and he’s still in Phokis and I haven’t done it yet.
That’s what happened.
Ah yes, that’s the quest I have right now. I should have talked to him…at least he paid you and you got to root around in his house! I’m out some good money, man!
Sigh. Just a reminder to follow up on quests in a timely fashion. I mean, I kind of respect that they bothered to make that timing mean something, because so often nothing ever happens until you go to a place and make it happen, and it makes the world feel more alive to have things happening without you.
All these timed quests, too…I ignore most of them because I can’t be bothered to spend a playing session hunting down Spartan deserters or whatever, but it does add an interesting element to the game to have there BE things out there that you could do right now, but if you don’t the situation will resolve itself without you somehow (as situations do) and this job isn’t just going to sit there waiting for you forever.
Those are some very interesting statements by Elpenor, about entertainment, art, etc. Hm. He’s speaking for the blog, almost…”oh no, this isn’t purely about frivolous entertainment, games are ART!” Heh. But also an interesting example of how he sees other people, apparently, as elements to be moved around in a game or narrative, rather than as people whose personal preferences deserve consideration. That’s a very Templar approach, I think. These Kosmos people must be, if not Templars proper (since that order won’t be founded for centuries), at least proto-Templars.
Also interesting that Kassandra just says “the Wolf is dead!” no matter what. I mean…I guess…that specific man is no longer serving as the Wolf of Sparta, so…the ROLE of the Wolf is now empty…so, “the Wolf is dead” is not TOTALLY a lie?
But man, that’s splitting some fine hairs when you were hired to kill a particular person. “I killed the IDEA of the Wolf, all right?”
And it’s interesting that player choice doesn’t enter into this, and that Kassandra doesn’t apparently even put any thought into it. She doesn’t say anything about WHY she’s going to lie, I assume, or you would have mentioned it? Interesting.
I remember, also, right after I didn’t assassinate him and he walked off to find his honor again or whatever, she says something like “the Spartans won’t be happy with me after what I did, I’d better get out of here.”
Which–I mean, yeah, the Spartans won’t be happy that she just convinced their best general to abandon the army, but that line could just as easily work for them not being happy that she assassinated their general, so it really kind of seems like the story is just going to go the way it goes whether or not you kill the guy, and that’s an interesting decision to be able to make without any consequences. “Kill him, don’t kill him, it’s all the same.”
But maybe he’ll turn up later alive and do something he couldn’t have done if we’d killed him. I guess we’ll see!
Well, maybe it was because you did the Oracle first. Maybe my Oracle thing will be different. We shall see.
I like the idea of the timed quests, too. I haven’t done any of them, but it is kinda cool.
Oh they won’t be templars? I didn’t know they were real medieval templars. I thought they were vaguely alien “we can call ourselves what we want cuz this game has aliens dammit” Templars.
But yes, you are art. And didn’t you say that Abstergo is trying to get memories for entertainment/art?
Yup. No player choice on the statement about the Wolf. No “How could you? I let him live” choice. All part of a cutscene. Interestingly, Elpinor, who seems to know all, bought it. He said, later, “You killed your own stepfather.” And, yes, she never says (or hasn’t yet said) why she lied.
I imagine we’ll see some difference. Game’s doing ok noticing choices so far, and that was quite the choice.
No, the first game was set during the Crusades, and the antagonists in it were clearly defined as being the actual historical order of the Templars. So the Kosmos people cannot literally be them, but they could certainly be a group that later on in history rebranded itself as a different religious order and became the Templars. I won’t be at all surprised.
In fact, I’ll be surprised if that’s not how it goes–but who knows? Maybe I’ll be surprised.
Or Kosmos will become the assassins!
You know, I never asked: I get Templars. They were real, and kinda into law and order. But why assassins, other than “Assassin’s Creed” sounds really cool?
Or the Assassins! Also possible! We don’t know who turns into what yet. But Kosmos is definitely going to be something, and there’s probably another group that’s opposed to Kosmos, and they’re probably going to be the other one.
I mean, just tossing fantastical ideas around here.
And dude, the assassins are based on the historical Order of Assassins (see Wikipedia’s rather interesting write-up that includes a mention of the game).
Weird, parallel reality, alien-inflected history!
Well looky there. I did not know that.
It’s Friday, and here we are dispensing knowledge. What’s with us?
I am a little surprised we didn’t spend more energy discussing sexy grandma, since it’s Friday and all, but I guess we were distracted by actual plot developments. And divergences! We always get distracted comparing if we do something different.
I did pick “I always wanted an older lover” in the dialogue options, and I would totally have flirted with her if it had been an option, but I guess she’s faithful to her one true love, sexy grandpa.
Yeah, see, I know it’s slightly ageist of me, but I just couldn’t get into that.
I apologize to all the oversexed old ladies out there.
“Oversexed” is a value judgment. Maybe they’re just sexed enough!
They can take it up with you. I’m sure we’ll get hundreds of angry comments.
Probably. Most of our readers are probably oversexed octogenarians.
I think we can state with confidence that this statement regarding our readership either is or is not true.
I’ll go on the record with it!
Phew. We got to Friday late in the day, but we got there.